Και flat, και γλυκόηχο;

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Τις προάλλες μιλούσα με γνωστό μου που ενδιαφέρεται για ένα συγκεκριμένο ηχείο. Είπε πως είναι flat, αλλά και γλυκόηχο, φαντασθείτε δηλαδή κάτι σαν Sonus Faber, αλλά προς το πιο "μονιτορίσιο". Μου είπε κάτι για μεταξωτούς θόλους, κάτι για καλό mid, τέλος πάντων αυτά συνεκράτησα. Τελικά, πώς μπορεί κανείς να φτιάξει ένα γλυκόηχο ηχείο, που να είναι και flat, δηλαδή να μετρά προφανώς σωστά στην απόκριση συχνότητας;



Το ηχείο είναι το Peak Consult Princess. Διαβάστε ένα ρηβιού αμερικάνικο...


If you have ever had the chance to listen to any of their larger speakers and really enjoyed the sound but had a bit of sticker shock, the Princesses may just be for you. As muscle weighs a lot more than an equivalent amount of fat, these speakers look small and unassuming until you try and pick them up! They weigh about 110 lbs each, so be prepared to have a friend help you muscle them around. With the same drivers as the Princess monitor, the F/S uses a larger cabinet, however you are rewarded with a bit lower bass response (45hz vs. 39hz for the floorstander) and you won’t need to purchase stands.


Consequently, the F/S are a bit more expensive and will work in a bit larger room. The F/S also has an additional db of efficiency; 88db for the monitor vs. 89 for the F/S. Rated at six ohms, I found them very easy to drive with tubes or solid state amplification. I know that hifi is supposed to be all about sound, but these speakers are truly beautiful to behold. As so much great furniture has come from Denmark, the craftsmanship of the Princesses is something that you will always be very proud to display in your home. I have seen very few speakers made to this high standard at any price.


Large Capacitors Equals Long Break-In I was very smitten with these speakers at this year’s CES show and Chris Sommovigo; Peak’s USA importer was kind enough to send them our way right after the show was over. The show pair I heard was brand new and designer Per Kristoffersen spent about an hour talking to me about everything but speaker design, so I knew I was on to something good! He did take a couple minutes to show me the giant capacitors in the crossover network; they are about the size of an EGGO waffle with leads coming out of them! Should you buy a pair of these gorgeous speakers for your home, you need to understand that those large capacitors will take a few hundred hours to break in, and even between 300 and 500 hours, there is still a touch more magic to be had.


Right out of the box, they sound a little bit bright and slow, but after about 100 hours you can tell the drivers have done their thing and settled in. The Princesses possess just a touch of brightness until the capacitors have broken in all the way and it’s bliss from then on. How do they get that much sound out of such a small box? Per Kristoffersen is a genius, that’s how. The folks at Peak Consult are master craftsmen and these speakers sound as good as they look. The customary knuckle rap of the cabinets will floor you, there’s no resonance of any kind here, it’s like you tapped the monolith on 2001. Take a close look at the front (and rear) panels, that matte black finish is real leather! These speakers are drop dead gorgeous; my test pair came in the upgraded cherry with ash stripes. This finish is available as a special order and you will need to ask your Peak Consult dealer for pricing and availability. Standard finishes are rosewood and ash. The driver component is a 5-inch woofer and a 1-inch dome tweeter, along with a port on the back. Suggested room size for the F/S is less than 200 square feet, which was perfection in my 11 x 17 foot living room!


Keep in mind that even in a large room, they will fare well, but a 5-inch driver can only move so much air! In order to realize all that these speakers are capable of, I highly suggest following Peak Consults directions and

use them in a suitably sized room for best performance. When I took them out to the studio and put them in the main listening area (16 x 24 feet), they still imaged great with a huge soundstage, but they did get swallowed up a bit on the lower end. (However, adding my REL B2 to this system was quite fantastic, even in the large room.)

But It’s Really About Finesse. This is what really sets the Princess apart from the pack. If you are from the ‘bigger is better’ school of loudspeaker owners, you will probably just pass over these speakers. (At your own peril, I might add) What I found absolutely intoxicating about these speakers was the high level of resolution that they possessed without being big or overbearing.


So often if you have a small room, you have to settle for smaller speakers that just don’t have enough resolution to mate with the best components the high end has to offer. I have heard this dilemma from a number of music enthusiasts who have the budget, but just can’t shoehorn a giant pair of speakers into their small rooms, but a small pair of minimonitors just don’t reveal enough music. If this is your situation, your search is over! In a small room with great gear, I would stack the Princesses up against anything I’ve ever heard. Yes, I know they will not move as much air as the Peak Consult El Diablos, but the El Diablos need a big room to work their magic, as do a number of other well-known benchmarks.
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Listening to a lot of my favorite records and CDs was a breathtaking experience with the Princesses, because I am somewhat of a detail freak that really likes all of those little spatial things in a good recording, yet I don’t want my detail served up with a helping of harshness. This is what the Princess does so incredibly well, the balance is just right. When I was spinning Bowie’s Black Tie/White Noise, the title track was amazing. Bowie’s vocals were right out front about three feet from my face, with the instruments somewhere in the middle with that distorted ‘yow, yow, yow’ background vocal about 20 feet back in the distance. Still in the Bowie mode, I switched to Aladdin Sane. I always love the piano solo on the title track and on a great system, it just floats. This is one of those things that analog just does better than CD and with the Princesses, it’s night and day, thanks to all that resolution on tap.


Keeping in the haunting piano groove I spent a good amount of time with the Three Piano Sonatas by Boulez, reviewed by Dan this issue. This is the kind of tonality that separates audiophile parlor tricks from the real deal and you get it in spades from the Princesses. Want to increase the level of difficulty? Listen to some violins for a while. I don’t claim to be an expert on classical music, far from it. However, whenever I listen to violins on speakers with great tonal ability, they sound natural. Anything less and they sound screechy, thin and even harsh. Many people consider the piano the ultimate test, but for me, it’s the violin. Again, the Princesses passed with flying colors and Anne-Sophie was as she should be.


My first impression of these speakers at CES, was with some Stevie Ray Vaughn. I’m not a real nut about SRV, but as fate would have it before I walked into Chris’ room I had heard Tin Pan Alley about a dozen times that day, so it was very well locked into my head. Even though these speakers were brand spanking new, I knew that they were fantastic. When you have had a lot of seat time with a lot of speakers, you kind of know how they will progress over time and I was not disappointed at ALL with these.

Now that they were fully broken in, the presentation was amazing! Granted, I didn’t have the Continuum for analog duties, but the combination of the Aesthetix Callisto Signature and the Manley 250s offered up a stunning rendition of this album. Don’t think that you need tube gear to get the magic; Swapping out the Aesthetix/Manley combination for the CJ ACT2/Series 2 and the Premier 350 was also a great combination, which had a little less air, but a bit more detail and control.


Staying on the Texas side of the map, I threw on some Johhny Winter and played my favorite cut, Memory Pain from the Second Winter album. Have no fear, these have the dynamics to play very loud without losing their poise. But loud isn’t everything, many speakers that play loud can’t play soft. I was always very impressed with how well the Princesses did at low to moderate levels, indicating a very wide dynamic range with a lot of contrast on tap. Yeah, yeah, female vocals sound great too, no worries.


Both systems were great and really showed what these speakers were capable of with really good gear. With tubes, the Princesses had a bit warmer bass and with solid state they had a little more slam and impact. Whichever flavor you prefer, you can rest assured they are up to the task. Those of you that use this disc as one of your favorite test records know what I’m talking about, but no matter what I played I just couldn’t get enough! The Princesses throw the soundstage wide and deep, just like a good minimonitor, yet they have a lot more weight. Unless you are trying to squeeze a major orchestra into your small room, these speakers will do it all for you except for that last bit of deep bass. But if you have a small room, you aren’t going to get that last bit of deep bass anyway. Can’t fight physics, no matter how hard you try. Now That’s a Manual! If you think these speakers are fantastic, wait till you see the manual! This is really impressive and it shows you why these speakers are not just a purchase, they are truly an investment. You get a very impressive leather binder, along with a checklist of all the parts inside, including the set of spikes and a bottle of oil to keep those Princesses looking their best.


Also enclosed is Per Kristofferson’s business card with his DIRECT phone number and an email contact. This is the same level of follow through that you get with a Lexus, BMW or any other fine automobile. I felt it was a very nice touch that would make any Peak Consult owner very confident about their purchase. This One Wins the Swimsuit Contest and has a Big Brain Too If you have a small room, the Peak Consult Princess comes as close to having your cake and eating too. It offers up a tremendous amount of detail without fatigue at any volume level within reason and is well suited to any kind of music you might enjoy. In addition to being equally compatible with tube or solid-state electronics, they are very attractive to boot. I must emphasize again though, that these are extremely high performance speakers for a small room. Do not expect these to work in a big room and have the necessary grunt. If you want that, you need a much larger pair of speakers. (Perhaps the Peak Consult Zoltans…)


However, from a quality standpoint, I would have no problem pairing up a set of these speakers with the best components available, they are definitely up to the task. I was very happy to close the door on the last princess in my life, but I will miss these princesses a great deal. Perhaps there are a pair of Peak Consult speakers in my future!


MANUFACTURER

US Distributor

Signals-Superfi LLC

Atlanta, GA 30318

678-528-8077

www.signals-superfi.com

MSRP: $10,500 (st. finish)


PERIPHERALS

Analog Sources: SME 10 turntable w/SME V arm and MoFi 3.5C cartridge, Aesthetix Rhea phono preamp with Great Northern Sound upgrades, TEAC 2300SX with Progressive Engineering tape head preamp

Digital Sources: Meridian 808, Wadia 581

Preamplifiers: Conrad-Johnson ACT2 Series 2, Aesthetix Callisto signature

Power Amplifiers: Conrad-Johnson Premier 350, Manely 250 monoblocks, Nagra PSA

Interconnects: Cardas Golden Reference

Speaker Cable: Wireworld Equinox 3

Power Cords: Essential Sound Products the Essence ‘Reference’

Power Conditioning: Running Springs Jaco Vibration Control: Finite Elemente Pagode Signature racks with Cerepucs and Cereballs

Room Treatment: GIK panels

Το ρηβιού το βρήκα εδώ.


Τα χαρακτηριστικά του μπορείτε να τα δείτε εδώ, απ' όπου πήρα και τη φωτό.

Λοιπόν, για πείτε...
 



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....Λοιπόν, για πείτε...
Τα μόνα που έχω δοκιμάσει, είναι τα Cardas Golden Reference , που με την καμμία δεν τα λες ουδέτερα interconnects...:rolleyes:...από μόνα τους αρκούν για να μειώσουν την όποια αξιοπιστία της δοκιμής...
 
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10.500$ ? :eek:
Kαι λίγα είναι...ολόκληρο 5άρι γούφερ φοράει...το διανοήσε...ξεδιπλώνονται Π Ε Ν Τ Ε ολόκληρες ίντσες μεγαφώνου....κι έχει και 2 από αυτά μάλιστα!! Άσε που έχει και tweeter...2 πάλι...για βάλτα κάτω...άσε που μιλάμε υπάρχει και τεχνολογική υπεροχή...bass reflex...το έχεις ξανακούσει αυτό? Κάτι καινούριο θα είναι σίγουρα που φτιάχνει τέλειο χαμηλό για να συνδυαστεί με την στεντόρια απόκριση των 5ιντσων μεγαφώνων...απλά κοστίζει ακριβά αυτή η νέα τεχνολογία τί να κάνουμε, δεν μπορείς να τα έχεις όλα...
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Και τώρα που τέλειωσα το κράξιμο....ο ώριμος εαυτός μου που ξέρει λίγο την αγορά λέει...καλά κάνει...
 
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Γιατί το λες;
στο avmentor γράφει για το ακριβότερο system οτι με δυο εξαρια πιάνει 28Hz

Που 'σαι καημένη svs
 


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Φλατ και γλυκόηχο* μαζί,είναι εμπορική περιγραφή για όποιον θέλει να μπάσει στην ζούλα ηχείο στο AVsite χωρίς να τον κράξουν οι φλατάδες.(Εξαιρούμαστε οι αμετανόητοι που έχει εργαστεί το τομάρι μας και δεν μας πειράζει το κράξιμο).
Ε,αυτό έχει και την τιμή του,πληρώνεται το να έχεις το κεφάλι σου ήσυχο;;):roflmao:


*(Η παντελής απουσία διαγραμμάτων,pdf,μετρήσεων,κλπ,είναι εκ των ουκ άνευ φυσικά)
 

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Τις προάλλες μιλούσα με γνωστό μου που ενδιαφέρεται για ένα συγκεκριμένο ηχείο. Είπε πως είναι flat, αλλά και γλυκόηχο, φαντασθείτε δηλαδή κάτι σαν Sonus Faber, αλλά προς το πιο "μονιτορίσιο". Μου είπε κάτι για μεταξωτούς θόλους, κάτι για καλό mid, τέλος πάντων αυτά συνεκράτησα. Τελικά, πώς μπορεί κανείς να φτιάξει ένα γλυκόηχο ηχείο, που να είναι και flat, δηλαδή να μετρά προφανώς σωστά στην απόκριση συχνότητας;
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Μπορεί να είναι flat στην απόκριση on-axis και γλυκόηχο στην ακρόαση....off-axis.

 

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Μπορεί να είναι flat στην απόκριση on-axis και γλυκόηχο στην ακρόαση....off-axis.
Ο ανομοιογενής τρόπος ακτινοβολίας παρεμφερών σχεδιάσεων φυσικά και μπορεί είναι υπεύθυνος για τα highendαδικα τσικάτα του στυλ "φλατ και γλυκόηχο".
παρόλα αυτά το 5αρι της Audio Technologie (και το 4αρι) δίνουν σχεδόν σε όλες τι υλοποιήσεις τους ένα αποτέλεσμα που πάλι highendάδικα θα το περιγράφαμε ως "φυσικό" ή άντε και "γλυκόηχο".
Τα συγκεκριμένα η ηχεία τα έχει συμφορουμίτης.
Τα Verity Sarastro επισης τα έχω ακούσει εκτεταμένα και η μεσαία περιοχή τους σου έδινε την ίδια εντύπωση.
Τέλος στο studio της Ypsilon το ηχείο στηρίζεται στον ίδιο οδηγό.
Γενικά εσείς που τα κατέχετε τα pdf μήπως πρέπει να ψαξεται για χαμηλές παραμορφώσεις ή "εύηχες" παραμορφώσεις ή δεν ξέρω και εγώ τι?
πραγματικά έχει ενδιαφέρον το θέμα.
για πείτε….
 

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Kαι λίγα είναι...ολόκληρο 5άρι γούφερ φοράει...το διανοήσε...ξεδιπλώνονται Π Ε Ν Τ Ε ολόκληρες ίντσες μεγαφώνου....κι έχει και 2 από αυτά μάλιστα!! Άσε που έχει και tweeter...2 πάλι...για βάλτα κάτω...άσε που μιλάμε υπάρχει και τεχνολογική υπεροχή...bass reflex...το έχεις ξανακούσει αυτό? Κάτι καινούριο θα είναι σίγουρα που φτιάχνει τέλειο χαμηλό για να συνδυαστεί με την στεντόρια απόκριση των 5ιντσων μεγαφώνων...απλά κοστίζει ακριβά αυτή η νέα τεχνολογία τί να κάνουμε, δεν μπορείς να τα έχεις όλα...
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Και τώρα που τέλειωσα το κράξιμο....ο ώριμος εαυτός μου που ξέρει λίγο την αγορά λέει...καλά κάνει...
έλα βρε,
από εσένα περιμένουμε κάτι παραπάνω…
μπορείς να μας πείς για το "γλυκόηχο" σε ενα flat ηχείο?
 




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έλα βρε,
από εσένα περιμένουμε κάτι παραπάνω…
μπορείς να μας πείς για το "γλυκόηχο" σε ενα flat ηχείο?
Πέρα από το πώς και το γιατί...θεωρώ ότι το "γλυκόηχο" μπορεί να συνυπάρχει με την "ουδετερότητα" ως μια πιθανή εκδοχή της, όμως η "ουδετερότητα" δεν μπορεί να συνυπάρξει ως εκδοχή του "γλυκόηχου"...
Άρα, κατά την άποψή μου, ένα φλατ ηχείο κάλλιστα μπορεί να έιναι και γλυκόηχο όταν οφείλει, αλλά ένα γλυκόηχο ηχείο δεν μπορεί να είναι φλατ...
 
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Τα φυσικά οργανα ακούγονται γλυκό ηχα;
Νομιζω όχι, απλα αληθινα
ένα ηχείο όμως?
και τι είναι αυτό που το κάνει "γλυκόηχο"?
ο bhutias έδωσε μια πρώτη προσέγγιση.
Εγώ είπα άλλη μία γνώμη…
 

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Μήπως είναι θέμα αρμονικών;
Ηχείο που στερείται αρμονικών ακούγεται υποθέτω άσχημα κι όχι γλυκοηχα
Αυτό το διάγραμμα απόκρισης συχνότητας ηχειου συμπεριλαμβανει και τις αρμονικές;
Αν κτυπησουμε μια χορδή σε ενα όργανο βγαίνουν και καποιες αρμονικες, αυτές ακούγονται όλες στο ηχείο;
 

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Μήπως είναι θέμα αρμονικών;
Ηχείο που στερείται αρμονικών ακούγεται υποθέτω άσχημα κι όχι γλυκοηχα
Αυτό το διάγραμμα απόκρισης συχνότητας ηχειου συμπεριλαμβανει και τις αρμονικές;
Αν κτυπησουμε μια χορδή σε ενα όργανο βγαίνουν και καποιες αρμονικες, αυτές ακούγονται όλες στο ηχείο;
Φυσικά και ακούγονται.Αν δεν ακούγονταν δεν θα ήξερες ποιο όργανο παίζει,αυτές καθορίζουν το ηχόχρωμά του.
Απλώς σε αυτά που θέλουμε να εισάγουμε έναν πιο γλυκό χαρακτήρα τονίζουμε κάποιες συγκεκριμένες μαζί με κάποιες περιοχές.
 

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Δεν τις λύσαμε αυτές τις απορίες ακούγοντας το grimm στην έκθεση (έστω και σε άγνωστο χώρο); Δεν ήταν και καρα-ουδέτερο και γλυκόηχο;
 


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